Queen Mary's Hospital, Sidcup, could be the main loser of the healthcare changes
A DECISION has been made by health chiefs on the future of hospitals in the area.
The joint committee of the primary care trusts for Bexley, Bromley, Greenwich and Lewisham met today in London to make its decision on the A Picture of Health proposals.
And it agreed with recommendations to approve an amended version of option two from the three original options put forward.
This will see Queen Mary's Hospital as the only major loser of the four hospitals involved.
The Sidcup hospital will lose all its emergency services, including A&E, maternity and in-patient children's services, but will become one of two centres for planned surgery.
The planned surgery unit at Orpington Hospital will close and patients from there diverted to Queen Mary's.
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The Sidcup hospital will also have to wait for a decision on whether it will be able to open a midwife-led birthing unit.
Queen Mary's will be left with an urgent care centre, community, diagnostic, specialist walk-in care such as renal dialysis, cardiology, neurology and cancer; outpatient services; day surgery; intermediate in-patient care and rehabilitation including beds and services.
This may open the way for the sell-off of large parts of the Sidcup hospital site, which could help pay for the millions of pounds of debt owed by the other three private finance initiative (PFI) hospitals involved.
The Princess Royal University Hospital in Farnborough and Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Woolwich will remain as the two centres for acute services in outer south east London and will keep their day surgery units.
Under the amended option two, Lewisham Hospital will keep its A&E, but it will only be open to surgical emergencies from 8am to 8pm.
It will keep its pediatric and maternity services but only due to the intervention of the Academic Health Sciences Centre, made up of Guys and St Thomas's, Kings College and South London and Maudsley trusts.
They offered support to Lewisham to maintain the services but will take more complex surgical cases for children.
Lewisham will also keep its day surgery.
It is estimated that keeping day surgery at all four centres will bring in £10m a year.
The original option two was only supported by 1,491 of the 8,374 people who gave an opinion on the consultation.
The most popular option was option one which attracted 1,949 supporters.
But 2,491 people, mainly from Bexley, indicated they did not like any of the options put forward.
There you go! We knew it and the all the care trust lot would say is we were wrong! That Mac bloke said the Council were wrong and Queen Mary's was safe. Did he lie?
They ARE going to shut Queen Mary's down, I wonder if Gordon Brown and Labour are proud of the NHS and its 60 years now!
I hope I don't get some fool from Labour come knocking on my door otherwise he/she can take a trip to the nearest A&E.
There you go! We knew it and the all the care trust lot would say is we were wrong! That Mac bloke said the Council were wrong and Queen Mary's was safe. Did he lie?
They ARE going to shut Queen Mary's down, I wonder if Gordon Brown and Labour are proud of the NHS and its 60 years now!
I hope I don't get some fool from Labour come knocking on my door otherwise he/she can take a trip to the nearest A&E.
Posted by: South East, South East on 9:23pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Gordon Brown and the Labour Party do not care about the NHS or public services. I can remember the run up to the 1997 General Election whenn they said they would save Greenwich District Hospital as the Queen Elizabeth Hospital would not cope as the Brook General Hospital had recently closed. With in weeks of being elected Frank Dobson the then Labour Secretary of State for Health gave the go ahead to close the Greenwich District Hospital. Year on year after that Labour have allowed the areas NHS health services to decline. Queen Marys needs a busy A & E department being so close to the busy A2 and to serve the people of Bexley and Sidcup. This just go to prove Gordon Brown and Labour just don't care about the NHS.
Gordon Brown and the Labour Party do not care about the NHS or public services. I can remember the run up to the 1997 General Election whenn they said they would save Greenwich District Hospital as the Queen Elizabeth Hospital would not cope as the Brook General Hospital had recently closed. With in weeks of being elected Frank Dobson the then Labour Secretary of State for Health gave the go ahead to close the Greenwich District Hospital. Year on year after that Labour have allowed the areas NHS health services to decline. Queen Marys needs a busy A & E department being so close to the busy A2 and to serve the people of Bexley and Sidcup. This just go to prove Gordon Brown and Labour just don't care about the NHS.
Posted by: Osem, Orpington on 10:11am Sun 20 Jul 08
What a great idea to close A&E and other provision at Sidcup (NOT!). I wonder how many of the blithering, overpaid, office bound, idiots who run these places and come up with endless reports have actually ever used the A&E services. I've never yet been to an A&E anywhere and been faced with anything less than a wait of several hours to be seen. At our flagship PRUH not so long ago I had to rush our youngest there and couldn't even find anywhere to park legally!!!!
Will someone please show me just where the slack in this particular system is FGS??!!
If the NHS spent more of it's vast funding on front line staff/services and less on inept and overpaid suits and their plush offices I think things at the sharp end would be a whole lot better!
What a great idea to close A&E and other provision at Sidcup (NOT!). I wonder how many of the blithering, overpaid, office bound, idiots who run these places and come up with endless reports have actually ever used the A&E services. I've never yet been to an A&E anywhere and been faced with anything less than a wait of several hours to be seen. At our flagship PRUH not so long ago I had to rush our youngest there and couldn't even find anywhere to park legally!!!!
Will someone please show me just where the slack in this particular system is FGS??!!
If the NHS spent more of it's vast funding on front line staff/services and less on inept and overpaid suits and their plush offices I think things at the sharp end would be a whole lot better!
Posted by: Caroline, Bromley on 12:03pm Sun 20 Jul 08
It is shocking that large parts of QM will have to be sold off to help pay for the debt of 3 other brand new hospitals. It is completely absurd that our government is permitted to throw around BILLIONS of pounds for some things, yet sacrifices services that are in desperate need. Why do we stand for it? I just do not know. Just last week we were told that the brand new surgical wing at Orpington Hospital was going to close, even though it was only opened a few years ago and cost 9 million! This is shameful and I for one am in despair about the whole thing.
It is shocking that large parts of QM will have to be sold off to help pay for the debt of 3 other brand new hospitals. It is completely absurd that our government is permitted to throw around BILLIONS of pounds for some things, yet sacrifices services that are in desperate need. Why do we stand for it? I just do not know. Just last week we were told that the brand new surgical wing at Orpington Hospital was going to close, even though it was only opened a few years ago and cost 9 million! This is shameful and I for one am in despair about the whole thing.
Posted by: Fed up with Labour, Bexley on 1:06pm Sun 20 Jul 08
Why is it when labour gets their hands on anything it all goes wrong this country is in a big big mess and it is due to them, no one listens to what the normal joe blogs wants, the NHS is getting itself in a mess due to bad leadership. Let the hospital do what its been able to do for years treat people in need, if they build two more fancy hospitals let them deal with it,instead of making us suffer. KEEP IT OPEN.
Why is it when labour gets their hands on anything it all goes wrong this country is in a big big mess and it is due to them, no one listens to what the normal joe blogs wants, the NHS is getting itself in a mess due to bad leadership. Let the hospital do what its been able to do for years treat people in need, if they build two more fancy hospitals let them deal with it,instead of making us suffer. KEEP IT OPEN.
[quote][bold]Caroline[/bold] wrote:
It is shocking that large parts of QM will have to be sold off to help pay for the debt of 3 other brand new hospitals. It is completely absurd that our government is permitted to throw around BILLIONS of pounds for some things, yet sacrifices services that are in desperate need. Why do we stand for it? I just do not know. Just last week we were told that the brand new surgical wing at Orpington Hospital was going to close, even though it was only opened a few years ago and cost 9 million! This is shameful and I for one am in despair about the whole thing.[/quote] And the sad thing is the savings that would be made by closing down the Orpington Treatment Centre will be in the region of £1 million a year.
I am almost too embarassed to admit I work for Bromley Hospitals NHS.
Caroline wrote:
It is shocking that large parts of QM will have to be sold off to help pay for the debt of 3 other brand new hospitals. It is completely absurd that our government is permitted to throw around BILLIONS of pounds for some things, yet sacrifices services that are in desperate need. Why do we stand for it? I just do not know. Just last week we were told that the brand new surgical wing at Orpington Hospital was going to close, even though it was only opened a few years ago and cost 9 million! This is shameful and I for one am in despair about the whole thing.
And the sad thing is the savings that would be made by closing down the Orpington Treatment Centre will be in the region of £1 million a year.
I am almost too embarassed to admit I work for Bromley Hospitals NHS.
Posted by: Howard Dawber, Bexleyheath on 7:00pm Sun 20 Jul 08
I am the Labour Candidate for Bexleyheath & Crayford and I am fiercely proud of Labour's NHS.
Without it I wouldn't be here, nor would several members of my family.
In an ideal world we'd leave all the hospitals as they are and the services would magically get better. The fact is that needs and technology have changed - nowadays the old model of general hospitals which provide all services is no longer relevant.
If your child was seriously ill, you might go to Great Ormond Street. If you had a spinal injury you'd go to Stoke Mandeville. Why should it be any different locally - we want THE BEST for local people, not to hold on to an outdated structure just for old times sake.
The changes going through now which are decided by DOCTORS not by politicians will provide a BETTER service for everyone in South East London by putting new facilities in specific locations. It's about MORE MONEY not cost cutting.
[bold]Don't let the Tories kid you into thinking they care about the NHS - they wanted to bribe people to go private at the last election and would happily sell off all the hospitals.[/bold]
I am the Labour Candidate for Bexleyheath & Crayford and I am fiercely proud of Labour's NHS.
Without it I wouldn't be here, nor would several members of my family.
In an ideal world we'd leave all the hospitals as they are and the services would magically get better. The fact is that needs and technology have changed - nowadays the old model of general hospitals which provide all services is no longer relevant.
If your child was seriously ill, you might go to Great Ormond Street. If you had a spinal injury you'd go to Stoke Mandeville. Why should it be any different locally - we want THE BEST for local people, not to hold on to an outdated structure just for old times sake.
The changes going through now which are decided by DOCTORS not by politicians will provide a BETTER service for everyone in South East London by putting new facilities in specific locations. It's about MORE MONEY not cost cutting.
Don't let the Tories kid you into thinking they care about the NHS - they wanted to bribe people to go private at the last election and would happily sell off all the hospitals.
Howard are you a complete idiot?
Do you actually live locally here in bexley or are you just another blow in 'wanna be' who probably lives in some North London elitest utopia like Islington or Camden.
We want the best hospitals but we also want a hospital to go to when we are sick. [bold]Your[/bold] Party are closing down Queen Mary's, originally by stealth but now it is being done in the open. Obviously Gordon, one of your mate's I am sure (I bet you love Bliar too), has decided time is up and he is getting his revenge on bexley before he is booted out of Downing Street!
Stop playing politics with us, we can see its Labour closing down [bold]OUR[/bold]hospital, so get a life.
Howard are you a complete idiot?
Do you actually live locally here in bexley or are you just another blow in 'wanna be' who probably lives in some North London elitest utopia like Islington or Camden.
We want the best hospitals but we also want a hospital to go to when we are sick. Your Party are closing down Queen Mary's, originally by stealth but now it is being done in the open. Obviously Gordon, one of your mate's I am sure (I bet you love Bliar too), has decided time is up and he is getting his revenge on bexley before he is booted out of Downing Street!
Stop playing politics with us, we can see its Labour closing down OURhospital, so get a life.
Is the fool from Labour really trying to tell us that our hospital being closed down and sold to pay for bad accountancy at the other hospitals will be good for us????
Howard Dawber, if one of my family dies because of this hospital being closed down then I hope you are proud of your cuts.
Why do you imply OUR hospital is out of date? Hoping to soften the blow to us?
LABOUR ARE CLOSING THE HOSPITAL, DON'T BLAME THE TORIES YOU FOOL.
I wish I lived in Bexleyheath and Crayford just so I could see your failure at fist hand at the next election.
Is the fool from Labour really trying to tell us that our hospital being closed down and sold to pay for bad accountancy at the other hospitals will be good for us????
Howard Dawber, if one of my family dies because of this hospital being closed down then I hope you are proud of your cuts.
Why do you imply OUR hospital is out of date? Hoping to soften the blow to us?
LABOUR ARE CLOSING THE HOSPITAL, DON'T BLAME THE TORIES YOU FOOL.
I wish I lived in Bexleyheath and Crayford just so I could see your failure at fist hand at the next election.
Posted by: Max Calò, Lewisham on 9:39pm Sun 20 Jul 08
Howard Dawber, congratulation, you are on message, hence your canditature for Labour.
You learned your lines to perfection, only that closure of A&E departments cannot be justified with your reasoning.
Maternity wards also are hardly specialist units that need to be placed strategically away from expecting women.
A word of advise, if you want to have a chance of being elected you have to start respecting people's intelligence.
The News Shopper wrote correctly "This could open the way for the sell-off of large parts of the Sidcup hospital site, which could help pay for the millions of pounds of debt owed by the other three private finance initiative (PFI) hospitals involved".
Howard Dawber, congratulation, you are on message, hence your canditature for Labour.
You learned your lines to perfection, only that closure of A&E departments cannot be justified with your reasoning.
Maternity wards also are hardly specialist units that need to be placed strategically away from expecting women.
A word of advise, if you want to have a chance of being elected you have to start respecting people's intelligence.
The News Shopper wrote correctly "This could open the way for the sell-off of large parts of the Sidcup hospital site, which could help pay for the millions of pounds of debt owed by the other three private finance initiative (PFI) hospitals involved".
Posted by: R Jones, belvedere on 11:42am Mon 21 Jul 08
Hang on, it is the Labour Government that Mr Dorber represents that is closing this hospital.
Given they have been in power and running the NHS since 1997, how can it be anyone else's fault?
As someone who joined the march earlier in the year, it was noticed that no Labour representatives turned up. There were Conservatives, Greens and the Lib Dems all there, but no-one from Labour.
I would have thought if Mr Dorber wants to be the MP for the area he would be joining with local people to try and save it, not defend the policy to close it.
But then, as he lives in Camden, he probably has no idea where the hospital is anyway.
Hang on, it is the Labour Government that Mr Dorber represents that is closing this hospital.
Given they have been in power and running the NHS since 1997, how can it be anyone else's fault?
As someone who joined the march earlier in the year, it was noticed that no Labour representatives turned up. There were Conservatives, Greens and the Lib Dems all there, but no-one from Labour.
I would have thought if Mr Dorber wants to be the MP for the area he would be joining with local people to try and save it, not defend the policy to close it.
But then, as he lives in Camden, he probably has no idea where the hospital is anyway.
Howard dawber - you should be ashamed of yourself and the labour party should be ashamed that they have chosen as their candidate someone who knows nothing about our local area and who wants to see our hospitals closed.
My useless mp john austin is boasting in a newsletter that he wants to see services cut at Qeen Marys. Clearly Labour do not care about our local services. Instead of Brown-nosing Brown, Labour mps and candidates should be supporting us.
I will never vote for labour while they plan to risk my life by axing my local hospital services.
Mr dawber, you are not welcome here - go back to the hole in camden where you have climbed out from. Austin, changes your view or no-one I knoiw will vote for you.
Howard dawber - you should be ashamed of yourself and the labour party should be ashamed that they have chosen as their candidate someone who knows nothing about our local area and who wants to see our hospitals closed.
My useless mp john austin is boasting in a newsletter that he wants to see services cut at Qeen Marys. Clearly Labour do not care about our local services. Instead of Brown-nosing Brown, Labour mps and candidates should be supporting us.
I will never vote for labour while they plan to risk my life by axing my local hospital services.
Mr dawber, you are not welcome here - go back to the hole in camden where you have climbed out from. Austin, changes your view or no-one I knoiw will vote for you.
All along they said this wasn't political, but was best for patient care!! What a load of absolute rubbish - they are robbing Peter to pay Paul - why should Queen Mary's be the loser in this - we are one of the highest achieving Trusts in the South East for our A & E targets - why close something that is working so well and sees on average 170 patients per day - what an insult to the dedicated A & E staff. Just where and how are the other A & E's going to see these patients, they can barely cope now! Don't make change for change sake, it will NOT benefit Bexley residents.
All along they said this wasn't political, but was best for patient care!! What a load of absolute rubbish - they are robbing Peter to pay Paul - why should Queen Mary's be the loser in this - we are one of the highest achieving Trusts in the South East for our A & E targets - why close something that is working so well and sees on average 170 patients per day - what an insult to the dedicated A & E staff. Just where and how are the other A & E's going to see these patients, they can barely cope now! Don't make change for change sake, it will NOT benefit Bexley residents.
I don't see what's so great about these other hospitals, I've had no problems with QMH and nor have any of my family. Whereas my brother had to have an operation at PRUH and they changed their minds halfway through and did something he hadn't consented to!! and I was at QEH with my mum in a distressed state and was left in A & E for hours with no one to ask what was going on or what was happening until it was almost too late and to top it all they had that bloody autopsy programme on the tv, not really what you want to be watching sitting in A & E is it?!!
I don't see what's so great about these other hospitals, I've had no problems with QMH and nor have any of my family. Whereas my brother had to have an operation at PRUH and they changed their minds halfway through and did something he hadn't consented to!! and I was at QEH with my mum in a distressed state and was left in A & E for hours with no one to ask what was going on or what was happening until it was almost too late and to top it all they had that bloody autopsy programme on the tv, not really what you want to be watching sitting in A & E is it?!!
Posted by: c shell, bexley on 3:08pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Howard Dawber, what do you care? if we were on your salary we could have the pick of the best private hospitals in the land like I imagine you do. If you are ill would you wait for a hospital appointment like the majority of us or travel for miles for you nearest one, does you money talk? Get real we need our hospitals.
Howard Dawber, what do you care? if we were on your salary we could have the pick of the best private hospitals in the land like I imagine you do. If you are ill would you wait for a hospital appointment like the majority of us or travel for miles for you nearest one, does you money talk? Get real we need our hospitals.
WHAT AN INSULT! Do the numpties who make these decisions actually expect the public to believe that closure of services at QMH is all about patient care - what rubbish. It's all about politics and money. Stop treating the public like imbeciles and start supporting public need instead of working against it! This local area needs an A&E department!
WHAT AN INSULT! Do the numpties who make these decisions actually expect the public to believe that closure of services at QMH is all about patient care - what rubbish. It's all about politics and money. Stop treating the public like imbeciles and start supporting public need instead of working against it! This local area needs an A&E department!
Posted by: Cherith Porter, New Ash Green on 4:35pm Mon 21 Jul 08
It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better.
Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.
It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better.
Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.
Qms has the smallest debt compared to the other 3 trusts. Mr Dawber as a Labour supporter for the last 20 years no more from me, Mr Brown and his gang do have a say at the end of the day!!!!
Qms has the smallest debt compared to the other 3 trusts. Mr Dawber as a Labour supporter for the last 20 years no more from me, Mr Brown and his gang do have a say at the end of the day!!!!
I was at Queen Mary's the other day, the service has improved so much since they just spent millions doing it up now there closing in down! I think someone high has been taking something illegal!!
I was at Queen Mary's the other day, the service has improved so much since they just spent millions doing it up now there closing in down! I think someone high has been taking something illegal!!
It is only thanks to the staff and SCBU at QM's that I have my twin boys without them they wouldn't have survived. [italic]italic[/italic] [italic]italic[/italic]
It is only thanks to the staff and SCBU at QM's that I have my twin boys without them they wouldn't have survived.
If we want an improved health service with better life expectancy in emergency situations this has to be the right option. If I suffered a shooting injury then I would rather go to Kings, where they have better experience of such injuries. If I had a stroke I would want to go to the hospital best equiped to deal with it. Sadly QM is not!
If we want an improved health service with better life expectancy in emergency situations this has to be the right option. If I suffered a shooting injury then I would rather go to Kings, where they have better experience of such injuries. If I had a stroke I would want to go to the hospital best equiped to deal with it. Sadly QM is not!
In response to Martin 'living on a prayer' Johnson, God forbid that you get shot, have a stroke, or a heart attack, because you'll have more chance of seeing the queen as a lap dancer than arriving alive at Kings, because in these instances seconds are crucial, and with congestion of traffic at any time of day, Kings is a long way off, as are QEH and the PRU. Also the public will be calling for ambulances to go to QEH and PRU if they have no transport to get there. So for people who suffer strokes or heart attacks, there will be no ambulances available to go to Kings or London hospitals. Population is increasing in
Bexley not decreasing and we need a local A&E department. Stop kidding yourself.
In response to Martin 'living on a prayer' Johnson, God forbid that you get shot, have a stroke, or a heart attack, because you'll have more chance of seeing the queen as a lap dancer than arriving alive at Kings, because in these instances seconds are crucial, and with congestion of traffic at any time of day, Kings is a long way off, as are QEH and the PRU. Also the public will be calling for ambulances to go to QEH and PRU if they have no transport to get there. So for people who suffer strokes or heart attacks, there will be no ambulances available to go to Kings or London hospitals. Population is increasing in
Bexley not decreasing and we need a local A&E department. Stop kidding yourself.
[quote][bold]Cherith Porter[/bold] wrote:
It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.[/quote] At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn't under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals.
The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich.
We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance!
So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg?
Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers!
Cherith Porter wrote:
It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.
At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn't under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals.
The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich.
We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance!
So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg?
Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers!
Posted by: Howard Dawber, Bexleyheath on 10:14pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]JJ[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Cherith Porter[/bold] wrote: It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.[/quote] At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn't under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals. The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich. We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance! So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg? Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers! [/quote] JJ - here's the answer. If you get a broken leg you will go to QMS, that's "Urgent Care" aka casualty WHICH IS STAYING AT QMS. If you are more seriously injured (eg, brain injury and in a coma) you will go in an ambulance to a specialist A&E.
JJ wrote:
Cherith Porter wrote: It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.
At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn't under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals. The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich. We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance! So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg? Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers!
JJ - here's the answer. If you get a broken leg you will go to QMS, that's "Urgent Care" aka casualty WHICH IS STAYING AT QMS. If you are more seriously injured (eg, brain injury and in a coma) you will go in an ambulance to a specialist A&E.
Posted by: Local, Swanley on 11:24pm Mon 21 Jul 08
So Mr. Dawber, when our loved ones are sick and the short staffed ambulance service doesn't turn up to take them to another part of the country for treatment can we have your telephone number so you can give us a lift in your expenses paid limo?
the way your party has treated us we are best left to die in our homes and be buried in our back gardens or have you taxed that to the hilt as well?
So Mr. Dawber, when our loved ones are sick and the short staffed ambulance service doesn't turn up to take them to another part of the country for treatment can we have your telephone number so you can give us a lift in your expenses paid limo?
the way your party has treated us we are best left to die in our homes and be buried in our back gardens or have you taxed that to the hilt as well?
[quote][bold]Martin Johnson[/bold] wrote:
If we want an improved health service with better life expectancy in emergency situations this has to be the right option. If I suffered a shooting injury then I would rather go to Kings, where they have better experience of such injuries. If I had a stroke I would want to go to the hospital best equiped to deal with it. Sadly QM is not![/quote] We wouldn't have made it to any other hospital!!!!!!!!!! QM's has one of the best neo natal units!!
Martin Johnson wrote:
If we want an improved health service with better life expectancy in emergency situations this has to be the right option. If I suffered a shooting injury then I would rather go to Kings, where they have better experience of such injuries. If I had a stroke I would want to go to the hospital best equiped to deal with it. Sadly QM is not!
We wouldn't have made it to any other hospital!!!!!!!!!! QM's has one of the best neo natal units!!
[quote][bold]Howard Dawber[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Cherith Porter[/bold] wrote: It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.[/quote] At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn\'t under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals. The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich. We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance! So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg? Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers! [/quote] JJ - here\'s the answer. If you get a broken leg you will go to QMS, that\'s \"Urgent Care\" aka casualty WHICH IS STAYING AT QMS. If you are more seriously injured (eg, brain injury and in a coma) you will go in an ambulance to a specialist A&E. [/quote] You already go to a specialist hospital with brain injury and if you present to a&e in a coma. It already happens and has done so for years. Your not from round here are you otherwise you would know that you fool!!!
So idiot how do I get to my local A&E with a broken leg if there's an urgent care centre, i don't recall there being a blue light service in the new plans for QMH
Howard Dawber wrote:
JJ wrote:
Cherith Porter wrote: It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.
At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn\'t under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals. The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich. We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance! So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg? Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers!
JJ - here\'s the answer. If you get a broken leg you will go to QMS, that\'s \"Urgent Care\" aka casualty WHICH IS STAYING AT QMS. If you are more seriously injured (eg, brain injury and in a coma) you will go in an ambulance to a specialist A&E.
You already go to a specialist hospital with brain injury and if you present to a&e in a coma. It already happens and has done so for years. Your not from round here are you otherwise you would know that you fool!!!
So idiot how do I get to my local A&E with a broken leg if there's an urgent care centre, i don't recall there being a blue light service in the new plans for QMH
Posted by: Chris Maines, Lewisham on 1:22pm Tue 22 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Howard Dawber[/bold] wrote:
I am the Labour Candidate for Bexleyheath & Crayford and I am fiercely proud of Labour\'s NHS. Without it I wouldn\'t be here, nor would several members of my family. In an ideal world we\'d leave all the hospitals as they are and the services would magically get better. The fact is that needs and technology have changed - nowadays the old model of general hospitals which provide all services is no longer relevant. If your child was seriously ill, you might go to Great Ormond Street. If you had a spinal injury you\'d go to Stoke Mandeville. Why should it be any different locally - we want THE BEST for local people, not to hold on to an outdated structure just for old times sake. The changes going through now which are decided by DOCTORS not by politicians will provide a BETTER service for everyone in South East London by putting new facilities in specific locations. It\'s about MORE MONEY not cost cutting. [bold]Don\'t let the Tories kid you into thinking they care about the NHS - they wanted to bribe people to go private at the last election and would happily sell off all the hospitals.[/bold] [/quote] We are here because of Gordon Brown's adherence to PFI - where millions is pouring into the NHS and then paid straight out to fat cats in the City.
There is now more pressure on PCT's to use private providers than under Thatcher.
These decisions have been driven by the Labour govt, taken by Labour appointed members of QUANGOs.
It is amazing that a Labour candidate does not undertand the direction of his own party policy.
Howard Dawber wrote:
I am the Labour Candidate for Bexleyheath & Crayford and I am fiercely proud of Labour\'s NHS. Without it I wouldn\'t be here, nor would several members of my family. In an ideal world we\'d leave all the hospitals as they are and the services would magically get better. The fact is that needs and technology have changed - nowadays the old model of general hospitals which provide all services is no longer relevant. If your child was seriously ill, you might go to Great Ormond Street. If you had a spinal injury you\'d go to Stoke Mandeville. Why should it be any different locally - we want THE BEST for local people, not to hold on to an outdated structure just for old times sake. The changes going through now which are decided by DOCTORS not by politicians will provide a BETTER service for everyone in South East London by putting new facilities in specific locations. It\'s about MORE MONEY not cost cutting. Don\'t let the Tories kid you into thinking they care about the NHS - they wanted to bribe people to go private at the last election and would happily sell off all the hospitals.
We are here because of Gordon Brown's adherence to PFI - where millions is pouring into the NHS and then paid straight out to fat cats in the City.
There is now more pressure on PCT's to use private providers than under Thatcher.
These decisions have been driven by the Labour govt, taken by Labour appointed members of QUANGOs.
It is amazing that a Labour candidate does not undertand the direction of his own party policy.
[quote][bold]Howard Dawber[/bold] wrote:
I am the Labour Candidate for Bexleyheath & Crayford and I am fiercely proud of Labour's NHS. Without it I wouldn't be here, nor would several members of my family. In an ideal world we'd leave all the hospitals as they are and the services would magically get better. The fact is that needs and technology have changed - nowadays the old model of general hospitals which provide all services is no longer relevant. If your child was seriously ill, you might go to Great Ormond Street. If you had a spinal injury you'd go to Stoke Mandeville. Why should it be any different locally - we want THE BEST for local people, not to hold on to an outdated structure just for old times sake. The changes going through now which are decided by DOCTORS not by politicians will provide a BETTER service for everyone in South East London by putting new facilities in specific locations. It's about MORE MONEY not cost cutting. [bold]Don't let the Tories kid you into thinking they care about the NHS - they wanted to bribe people to go private at the last election and would happily sell off all the hospitals.[/bold] [/quote] Brown's abject ineptitude in running the economy is why we're in this financial crisis. Amongst many other things, our 'Prudent Chancellor' sold half our entire gold reserves at pretty much the bottom of the market and has chucked vast sums of taxpayers money around like so much confetti...
You have the audacity to say don't trust the Tories but just how many promises made by Bliar and Brown since 1997 have been broken??
Have you already forgotten all the lies and spin surrounding the weapons of mass destruction which Saddam Hussein supposedly had lined up against us?
New Labour are a disgrace and worse than the Tories ever were - at least they didn't pretend to be something they're not!!
How dare you compare the self serving hypocrites you align yourself with now to those responsible for creating the NHS!!
Howard Dawber wrote:
I am the Labour Candidate for Bexleyheath & Crayford and I am fiercely proud of Labour's NHS. Without it I wouldn't be here, nor would several members of my family. In an ideal world we'd leave all the hospitals as they are and the services would magically get better. The fact is that needs and technology have changed - nowadays the old model of general hospitals which provide all services is no longer relevant. If your child was seriously ill, you might go to Great Ormond Street. If you had a spinal injury you'd go to Stoke Mandeville. Why should it be any different locally - we want THE BEST for local people, not to hold on to an outdated structure just for old times sake. The changes going through now which are decided by DOCTORS not by politicians will provide a BETTER service for everyone in South East London by putting new facilities in specific locations. It's about MORE MONEY not cost cutting. Don't let the Tories kid you into thinking they care about the NHS - they wanted to bribe people to go private at the last election and would happily sell off all the hospitals.
Brown's abject ineptitude in running the economy is why we're in this financial crisis. Amongst many other things, our 'Prudent Chancellor' sold half our entire gold reserves at pretty much the bottom of the market and has chucked vast sums of taxpayers money around like so much confetti...
You have the audacity to say don't trust the Tories but just how many promises made by Bliar and Brown since 1997 have been broken??
Have you already forgotten all the lies and spin surrounding the weapons of mass destruction which Saddam Hussein supposedly had lined up against us?
New Labour are a disgrace and worse than the Tories ever were - at least they didn't pretend to be something they're not!!
How dare you compare the self serving hypocrites you align yourself with now to those responsible for creating the NHS!!
[quote][bold]Howard Dawber[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Cherith Porter[/bold] wrote: It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.[/quote] At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn't under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals. The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich. We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance! So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg? Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers! [/quote] JJ - here's the answer. If you get a broken leg you will go to QMS, that's "Urgent Care" aka casualty WHICH IS STAYING AT QMS. If you are more seriously injured (eg, brain injury and in a coma) you will go in an ambulance to a specialist A&E. [/quote] JJ - I don't think you know what the UCC does/doesn't see. If a patient with a broken leg arrived on their doorstep, they would refer them into A & E because they are not able to deal with this type of injury!!!! What do you think will happen when A & E closes - they will no longer be able to send them into A & E for a specialist Orthopaedic opinion, but would have to call for an ambulance to transfer them to PRU or QEH. How cost effective is that, let alone making the patient suffer and wait longer for the treatment they could have received in A & E at QMS. I think you and the rest of the public need to know exactly what the UCC are capable of treating - you must remember they are nurse practitioners and GP's, not specialist doctors.
Howard Dawber wrote:
JJ wrote:
Cherith Porter wrote: It was the same when John Major and Virginia Bottomley along with the Tories were in power back in the 1990s. No better. Any government that comes in will just be as bad as each other.
At least under JOhn Major and Virginia Bottomley we had a local hospital that wasn't under threat of being closed to pay of the debts created at other hospitals. The current Governement are using us, here in Bexley, to pay for and keep afloat Lewisham and Woolwich. We should not stand for this, our tax has paid for this hospital, if you break a leg you want a service close-by, not 10 miles away. Do Labour suggest you hope on the train to get to Woolwich, because I have tried parking there, and theres no chance! So, how do you hop on a train with a broken leg? Maybe this Dawber bloke can tell us as he has all the answers!
JJ - here's the answer. If you get a broken leg you will go to QMS, that's "Urgent Care" aka casualty WHICH IS STAYING AT QMS. If you are more seriously injured (eg, brain injury and in a coma) you will go in an ambulance to a specialist A&E.
JJ - I don't think you know what the UCC does/doesn't see. If a patient with a broken leg arrived on their doorstep, they would refer them into A & E because they are not able to deal with this type of injury!!!! What do you think will happen when A & E closes - they will no longer be able to send them into A & E for a specialist Orthopaedic opinion, but would have to call for an ambulance to transfer them to PRU or QEH. How cost effective is that, let alone making the patient suffer and wait longer for the treatment they could have received in A & E at QMS. I think you and the rest of the public need to know exactly what the UCC are capable of treating - you must remember they are nurse practitioners and GP's, not specialist doctors.
Posted by: John Hemming-Clark, Indepndents to save Queen Mary's Hospital, Chislehurst on 1:01am Sat 26 Jul 08
[bold]John Hemming-Clark, Indepndents to save Queen Mary's Hospital[/bold] So what do we do now? Let the judges decide! Judicial review coming up. NB.Don't be to hard on the Labour chap - the new Conservative one has been parachuted in from Essex or somewhere other than here, where we all live and work. Local people before national political parties. www.faect.org.uk
John Hemming-Clark, Indepndents to save Queen Mary's Hospital So what do we do now? Let the judges decide! Judicial review coming up. NB.Don't be to hard on the Labour chap - the new Conservative one has been parachuted in from Essex or somewhere other than here, where we all live and work. Local people before national political parties. www.faect.org.uk
Posted by: Helen, Barnehurst on 3:46pm Mon 28 Jul 08
I gave birth to my daughter (first child) last August at QMH. I only just made it to the hospital before I gave birth, so not sure what would have happened if I had to travel further. In addition, after I had given birth, there were no empty beds on the ward so I had to spend the night in the newly constructed birthing wing of the maternity suite, which hadn't officially opened. The room hadn't been finished, I felt scared and isolated and was quite a distance from any midwife or nurse as there was no nursing station near me. So where are all these women going to go when QMH is shut? There's obviously not enough facilities in the borough as it is. And don't even get me started on the millions spend on constructing the new birthing suite - what a complete and utter waste of tax payers' money. It hasn't been opened a year and they are going to shut it. I wouldn't exactly call giving birth a specialised subject. I'm having my next baby at home as I feel safer.
I gave birth to my daughter (first child) last August at QMH. I only just made it to the hospital before I gave birth, so not sure what would have happened if I had to travel further. In addition, after I had given birth, there were no empty beds on the ward so I had to spend the night in the newly constructed birthing wing of the maternity suite, which hadn't officially opened. The room hadn't been finished, I felt scared and isolated and was quite a distance from any midwife or nurse as there was no nursing station near me. So where are all these women going to go when QMH is shut? There's obviously not enough facilities in the borough as it is. And don't even get me started on the millions spend on constructing the new birthing suite - what a complete and utter waste of tax payers' money. It hasn't been opened a year and they are going to shut it. I wouldn't exactly call giving birth a specialised subject. I'm having my next baby at home as I feel safer.
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